Posts by Ultimate Reality

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Two simple (stupid) questions about 607..

by bohm in

jw
friends

im researching the societys position on 607, and so far i got two questions i havent been able to find the answer to.

it is about the following scripture:.

in the third year of the kingship of je?hoia?kim the king of judah, neb?u?chad?nezzar the king of babylon came to jerusalem and proceeded to lay siege to it.

Ultimate Reality

I agree. The argument that Daniel and the other Hebrews were totally unknown to the King during their 3 year education does not match with the fact that court official was in fear of the King if he found out that the 3 Hebrews were not eating of the King's delicacies. The King must have 'checked up' on the boys during their education and during year 2 Daniel gave the interpretation.

If we really do follow the scriptures at their word, their was a deportation in 605 B.C.E. (using 'secular' chronology) under Nebuchadrezzar's first year as King and that is when Daniel was brought to Babylon. Otherwise, Daniel would be saying things he did not mean. If this 'second year' was after the destruction of the temple why didn't Daniel say so or why did he not say it was in the King's 20th year?

Here is an interesting chart (not that I endorse the whole site):

http://www.swartzentrover.com/cotor/bible/Timelines/690-570%20BC.htm

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Do the celestial positions on BM 33478 help to prove Artaxerxes I's 20th year was 455 BCE? (For 'scholar')

by AnnOMaly in

this is a spin off from this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/182714/4/hubby-is-researching-607.

background.

for the past three years, carl jonsson has been critiquing rolf furuli's 'oslo' chronology in an interdisciplinary journal called chronology and catastrophism review.

Ultimate Reality

Don't feel bad for Scholar; he's just trying to provide comic relief for all of us. Not even he believes what he writes.

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A couple of things from "Revelation: Four Views: A Parallel Commentary", Steve Gregg

by Doug Mason in

in his book, revelation: four views: a parallel commentary, steve gregg provides parallel readings from recognised historicist, preterist, futurist and spiritual commentaries for each passage of revelation.

makes interesting reading.. i noticed that one of the many commentaries gregg refers to is: the parousia: a critical inquiry into the new testament doctrine of our lords second coming by james stewart russell (published 1887).

i found that this book may be downloaded at a preterist site: http://www.preteristarchive.com/books/pdf/1878_russell_parousia_1st-ed.pdf.

Ultimate Reality

I have read J.S. Russell's book and have posted about it a few times. If you are looking for the opposite way of looking at Revelation (from the WTS and organized religion) with a very compelling perspective on the entire NT, I highly recommend it.

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Witnesses and apostasy from the WT

by isaacaustin in

"apostates" are considered by the wt to be the worst kind of sinners, and summarily shunned at all costs.

while there is no scriptural basis for this when the seeming proof-texts are analyzed....fear and loyalty to the org always allow this to keep going on.

in the book of matthew, jesus was tempted by the satan the devil.

Ultimate Reality

Or, we could say that Jesus was the foremost apostate. He openly challenged the religious leaders and their doctrines. Apostates today follow Jesus' fine example!

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Where is V?

by Mickey mouse in

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friends

what happened to that guy?

he just seemed to just disappear..

Ultimate Reality

bttt

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What do you think about Revelation?

by wantstoleave in

how do you put the bible book of revelation into perspective?

do you see it as real?

metaphorical?

Ultimate Reality

Auntbee: I agree, from this viewpoint we should also look at Matt 24 from a 1st century fulfillment only -- not a double-sense prophecy concept where Jesus would be speaking in riddles.

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I'm new, let me introduce myself

by no lies please in

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friends

i've been lurking here for many months.

i served as an elder for many years, and regular pioneer for much longer until recently.

i'm also a mts grad and was used extensively on the circuit and district level.

Ultimate Reality

Welcome, you are not alone!

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What do you think about Revelation?

by wantstoleave in

how do you put the bible book of revelation into perspective?

do you see it as real?

metaphorical?

Ultimate Reality

There are a number of excellent books on a pre-70CE view for Revelation. Check out Before Jerusalem Fell by Kenneth Gentry. If you would like a compelling interpretation on this view, that examines the entire NT from the standpoint of the 1st century Christians expecting the parousia within their generation, check out James Stewart Russell's book: The Parousia: A Careful Look at the New Testament Doctrine of the Lord's Second Coming (1878).

If you take this view, the Great Tribulation and the "end" came in 70 C.E. when Christ returned to execute judgement on the apostate harlot Babylon the Great: Apostate Jerusalem. It would have been at that time Christ gathered and sealed the 144,000 (be it literal or figurative) from the converted Jews and Gentile Christians. We are now in a figurative 1000 years waiting for the remaining few chapters of Revelation to be fulfilled.

I am not saying this is truth--each should come to their own conclusion. However, as "bible students" this a viewpoint that we should know. It is NOT a view that organized religion wants to hear because it takes away fear.

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What do you think about Revelation?

by wantstoleave in

how do you put the bible book of revelation into perspective?

do you see it as real?

metaphorical?

Ultimate Reality

I think it was written before 70 C.E.

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2009 Sing to Jehovah Lyrics--PDF----by request!

by Atlantis in

2009 sing to jehovah lyrics--pdf----by request!

request from researcher: i heard about this file but never received a copy and wondered if you had it.

can i get a copy?

Ultimate Reality

Here's my favorite: We have God, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus Christ. Oh wait. Jesus is out and has been replaced by "the slave", God's steward.

011 Making Jehovah’s Heart Glad

(Proverbs 27:11)

1. Great God, we’ve vowed to do your will;

In wisdom your work we’ll fulfill.

For then we know we’ll have a part

In making glad your loving heart.

2. Your slave, your steward here on earth,

Proclaims your greatness and your worth,

Feeds us with nourishment when due,

Thus strengthens us your will to do.

3. Impart to us your active force,

That we may keep a faithful course

And bring forth fruitage to your praise

And thus make glad your heart always.